The Power Of Pride - Past Meets Present

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking time out of your busy schedules to participate in our quarterly info bites sponsored by Quest Equality and Inclusion Council and produced by your employee resource groups. We currently have four active ERGs working to create a safe space for Quest employees to discuss matters pertaining to members of their community and are sponsored by incredible allies and executive leadership at Quest. Quest Colors, Quest, Quest Mines, and Quest Pride, are all working together to kick off Pride Month, and we look forward to sharing content with you throughout the entire month of June. Today, we're going to discuss a little bit about the history of Pride and a global history of the LGBTQ+ community. We'll discuss where we come from and some of the events that have happened to bring us where we are today. I'm thrilled to be here with two amazing allies and friends of mine and fellow leaders of our employee resource groups. I'd like to give them a little moment to introduce themselves and tell you a little bit about themselves. Candace? Thank you, Joseph. I'm so excited about what we're about to present to do this beautiful work with you and me again. Hey, everybody. My name is Candace Leavitt. My pronouns are she and her. I'm based here in Houston, Texas. And I'm currently the chair of Quest Colors. I'm part of the Women at Quest ERG, and I'm also an ally to Pride at Quest. My main focus and main influence on joining each of the ERGs is because I love being of service. I do feel like service is my purpose. So, that's one of the main reasons why I decided to join each of our ERGs and to get to know each and every person that I can within these ERGs, learn their cultures, fight for them, and to fight with them. And I'll hand it over to our next wonderful person, Mini. Thank you, Candace. I'm Rukmini Divakar. The pronouns I go by are she or her. I'm based out of India. I'm a part of the HR team and work as a business partner senior advisor at Quest. I've always been an ally and passionately have been contributing and working in various areas like empowering differently abled, girl child education, environmental causes, women empowerment, and many more. So, when I got to know about the ERGs here at Quest, I was so pretty excited to be a part of them, and I just jumped in. Today, I'm associated with most of the ERGs, and now I'm the co-chair of Quest Colors, communication coordinator of Women at Quest, and an ally to Quest Pride. And I'm so thrilled to be here today and with all the opportunities that I have got. Over to you, Joseph. Thank you, and my name is Joseph Parks. I'm a part of our Microsoft platform management sales team. I'm based here in Austin, and I am the chair of Quest Pride. I'm very honored to be leading that ERG, and I'm also an ally of Quest Colors, Women at Quest, and the newly formed Quest Mines. I think what makes Quest very special right now on a huge level is our intersectional work that all of these ERGs are working together because often, companies can silo these ERGs, and they're not talking to each other. They're not listening to each other. And I think in these conversations that we've been having quarterly and in some of our cases daily between the three of us, we're finding so much in common. We find our differences but so much commonality in our stories. So it's such a wonderful opportunity to be with you two here today. So, we're going to kick off our little history tutorial today on the LGBTQ+ community throughout time and actually globally. Little disclaimer-- we're going to be sharing with you some of our own personal perspectives, knowledge that we've gained through the years, some recent history that we've all done. We wish we had time to talk about every single country and every region in the world because there is a story to be told for every single part of this world. But we're just going to be giving you an east and west perspective today but just wanted to say that because we wish we had time to cover everybody, and perhaps we will at future sessions. So really, I just want to start off by saying that the LGBTQ+ community, we've always been here. We've always-- whether or not we've been visible is the difference. There have been times throughout history where Alexander the Great, who is arguably probably the strongest, most powerful soldier in global history, was definitely openly bisexual. He had a relationship with a man. He did eventually get married to a woman, but he had an open relationship with his best friend and fellow soldier. That was a part of their culture at that time. That was something that was accepted. You could have your relationships, like, with a man and then-- but you also got married. So it's interesting how things have evolved throughout time. I just want to show you guys a few images that I love. Just to give you a little taste of-- these are all North American-related photos of people in our community, essentially. On top right, we have a couple of men who are agriculture workers. You know, they're working a rural lifestyle. And these are some private portraits of men together. This was very common at the time for men who had special relationships together. They would have these private portrait sessions-- very intimate, very loving. These were certainly-- this is pre-social media, everyone. So, these weren't shared with anyone. They were kept private. I actually, on a personal level, my grandfather was a veteran, mixed race, and definitely did not in any way identify with the LGBTQ+ community. But after he passed away, I found photos in a box of him, and they were similar to these. They were him with a gentleman that he was clearly very close to. Now, where that relationship went, I'm not really sure. But this just kind of shows you how things have evolved through time, and this was kind of under the radar, relationships like this. I also wanted to hit on our history with the two spirited people of the indigenous tribes of North America in America, Canada. In those cultures, it was totally acceptable if someone identified other than the gender that they were born, that they could live a lifestyle of the gender that they identified. So we have a couple of images on the bottom left and the bottom right of two different two spirited individuals who were born male but identified as female and were allowed to live with their tribe and community as the gender that they had identified, which I think is a really big subject today because we're seeing so much related to trans and non-binary related issues and specifically, in some ways, discrimination that it's interesting to see that there was a time over 100 years ago where these people were accepted. Often, the reason for these sort of shifts and ebbs and flows of equality versus oppression is related to factors like religion and political influence in the region. These things, of course, can profoundly shift the way people are accepted or not accepted by their community. Just to give you a few more pictures of some couples here-- and also, in the center at the bottom, there's a group of men at a boys dance hall. Some soldiers in the bottom right hand corner-- you can see two young black men pose together. And then there's a couple couples of women in which one of the women is dressed in drag-- a drag king, you would say. So it's interesting in the world today where we're dealing with so many issues of trying to make drag illegal. These photos are from the 1800s. So it's fascinating how things have changed through time. Now, when we get into the 20th century, there was an interesting shift, particularly like around World War II, when they started making specific rules limiting homosexuals. So, they actually made it illegal to-- homosexuals cannot serve in the military. That led throughout the whole 20th century leading up to the don't ask, don't tell policy, which eventually was abolished. And now gay people can serve in the military. But these sort of oppressions started creeping in, and you reach a time in the 1940s and 50s where there was a more conservative society at that time, particularly in the 1950s. We all can-- we all have our images of the traditional lifestyle and the traditional family of 1950s America, you know? During that time, we had what was called the Mattachine Society. There's a group of men in the top left hand corner. You can notice in this, they are all white. But this was a group of men that were trying to fight for gay men's rights. So they were specific. They were thinking small. They were just thinking about themselves, gay men, and in this case, white men. And they are at a sip in, where they are trying to be served as a group of gay men in a bar. And as you can see, the bartender is not happy that they're there and not happy to serve them. But this is a form of peaceful protest. And then we get into the 1960s, which is a very-- globally was a time of what we call counterculture, where everything that is accepted and valued at that time is sort of turned on its head, and people are questioning the society they live in and questioning the morals of the society and what is right and what is wrong. You know, we had a lot of-- the hippies in America were coming, out and there was a huge influence by music during that time that was really turning the world on its head, which is going to lead us to Stonewall, which happened in 1969, which is really where a group of people unified together to fight against oppression of the LGBTQ+ community. But I want to turn it over to my friend Candace, who's going to, before we get to that, talk about some parallels within the Civil Rights movement and the LGBTQ+ movement and how those connect and support each other. Candice? Thank you, Joseph. I really appreciate this opportunity to just really talk about all of this, and I've learned so much so far, like, even within my respective race and everything that we've done as well. And I didn't know anything about the Mattachine Society until you brought it up in one of our walkthroughs. And it's really important for you. I'm happy that you're mentioning how we all, at one point, worked separately but then later on began to work together. And we were all influenced by different things within-- different ways we were fighting for things. And so when I heard sip in, I thought about the sit-ins, and they both were peaceful protests. And I think it's important to highlight how that began and where it came from. And I remember when we-- of course, I think a lot of us went through the situation of Black History Month in school, and I know for me, one of our prominent figures is MLK. And my teacher spoke about how he really I wouldn't say perfected but really adopted the non-violent way of trying to gain peace and liberation for us. And I remember her speaking on one particular person, and I couldn't remember his name up until I began doing more research. And I came across both Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi. And these two men were considered men of peace. And even as far back as history with them, you can see them practicing allyship and intersectional work. Gandhi was inspired by Tolstoy. Tolstoy wrote a book called A Letter to a Hindu. And in that book, he stated the premise of using non-violent protest or passive resistance to combat colonialization because for Indians at one point, they were in the process of going through being colonized. And he imparted this knowledge to them. And then later on, MLK, he used that with us within our civil rights movements that we've seen throughout history with the March on Washington in 1963, the sit-in protest that happened in Greensboro, North Carolina, the People's Campaign, even with as far back as Claudette Colvin inspiring the Montgomery bus boycott with Rosa Parks and even as far into the rest of the Freedom Riders and the Mildred and Richard Loving case that happened. And that was based on two regular people wanting to be married. Imagine how mind-blowing that is. Just two people can't be married based off of the color of their skin. And they were just regular people that became activists for that particular right. And then we also had the Selma to Montgomery marches. And I also wanted to share how I knew about-- I knew about the Freedom Rides, and I kind of knew about Minister Bayard Rustin and how he was an activist at that time. But I did not know that he was an openly gay black man. So-- They don't teach us that in history classes, do they? No. I knew about him, but I didn't know that. Right, they didn't teach us that. And it's just, as we said-- Left that out. [INAUDIBLE] like, hey, we want to keep this to ourselves. But just the idea and the power of intersectional work-- like, Bayard Rustin worked very closely with MLK. He was one of MLK's advisors for the I Have a Dream speech and the March on Washington. Bayard went on to work with an ally, George Houser, to create the Congress of Racial Equality and [INAUDIBLE]. And through that, they created the Freedom Riders movement in 1961. And with that particular nonviolent protest via a bus, they just decided to cut back segregation to having black and white people ride on a bus through the South knowing that they would be met with resistance. And then here's a little bit about Walter Nagle, who was Bayard Rustin's lifelong partner. Blew my mind. Just intersectionality allyship has gotten us where we are today, and I was just blown away through all the research that I found on that. And I wanted to touch on a few other prominent figures and faces in time in terms of Black and brown queer people. We had James Baldwin, who was a master of being a novelist on gender rights, gender education, and bisexuality. Lorraine Hansberry was a playwright who created the masterpiece "A Raisin in the Sun." She was a part of an organization created by Rosalie Bamberger, who was a Filipino lesbian woman and that she created this particular society as a safe space for lesbian women to just come and socialize because throughout history, it has been known that police would raid bars where they knew that people within the LGBTQ+ community were socializing. So, Rosalie was a pioneer of creating a safe space for lesbians at that particular time. We also had Audre Lorde, who is, to me, another queen of intersectional work, intersectionality. She was also a black lesbian woman that wrote about the importance of intersectionality. And she believed that none of us are free if-- I'm not free unless all of us are free. And we have to fight along with each other and for one another. Ernestine Eckstein was also a member or daughter of Bilitis, and she was one, if not the only, Black woman to just really picket with the annual reminders. And she was an ally to gay men at that particular time who were, like, letting people-- reminding people, like, civil rights is not enough because civil rights is just one thing, and human rights is another thing. And of course, we also have Marsha P. Johnson, who fought with her ally and best friend. Both of these went-- her best friend, Sylvia Rivera. Both of these people were trans women of color. And I'll let Joseph speak more on Stonewall because these two women were at the front lines of that particular historical moment. Over to you, Joseph. OK, so we're going to go back to a little piece of history talking about leads to Stonewall in the 1960s. So basically, as I mentioned, we had this time of counterculture. And we had people that were starting to unite. A little history on Stonewall-- what was Stonewall? Stonewall was called the Stonewall Inn, and it was one of the few establishments that would serve homosexuals, and trans people would also be there as well and people of color. And this was illegal at the time. You were not legally allowed to have an establishment catering to our community. They were actually owned by the mafia, but don't be fooled. The mafia were not being allies to the LGBTQ+ community. It was all about profit. It was all about we'll take the gays' money, but then we're going to call the cops, and we're going to have them raid our own bar. So basically, they'd let all everybody come and drink and party and get drunk and spend their money. And then toward the end of the night, they would plan a raid, and the cops would come. They'd arrest everybody. They would-- very brutal assaults, public shaming, public-- they'd have photographers there, and people's pictures would be in The New York Times the next day. And you'd be publicly outed, which, at that time, was easily a fireable offense and could really ruin people's lives. Finally, on one night in 1969 in June, which is why we celebrate Pride Month in June, the community had had enough, and the first people to really step up, and this is worth always mentioning because people forget it-- but it was our people of color, our brothers and sisters, people of color and trans, who were the first people to really stand up. And I think part of that is because they are the most oppressed. It is so much harder to have that experience. It just adds layers of oppression because-- obviously. And they fought against the police brutality. Riots ensued for days. And then annually, it started becoming a pride march in honor of the events that happened in 1969 at Stonewall. It has always been about activism and about fighting for the community in whatever efforts we had. So, through the '70s, it was definitely all about the gay liberation movement. And then as we hit the late '70s and through the '80s and '90s, of course, a huge emphasis of that was the AIDS epidemic and how it was affecting the whole world because a lot of countries and a lot of leaders were not even acknowledging AIDS, that it existed, and how many people were dying. So, the Pride march became a huge platform for them to say, we're here. People are dying. Don't be silent. And to this day, it is still very important to remember that it is a place for activism and pointing out the things we're working on. I will say, though, today, it is very celebratory in nature. These are just a few images from some Pride marches in New York that I wanted to share. You can see I'm in the top right hand corner with a group of LGBTQ+ athletes in New York. All of these are folks from the LGBT teams that exist in New York City, and we all marched together in the parade. So, it's very joyful, very fun. But I can tell you marching in the parade and leading a group of people to Stonewall-- because Stonewall is where it ends. You would get around certain corners, and you would find the protesters who were against us being there and had very hateful signage and things like that. So, there's still a fight against us. And I just think it's important to remember that we still have fights to be fought for. There are hundreds of bills trying to be passed right now limiting the rights of the community. So, the fight is not over, and I think that's just important for us to remember. I also wanted to share some images that Candace provided. Do you want to tell us a little bit about them, Candace? Yes. So, these are my friends. At the top, you see one of my best friends, Corbett. He's in one of my [INAUDIBLE] shirts that I created specifically for Love Is Love. And that's him grinning like a little Cheshire cat. That's my guy. On the other side, you see my other two best friends, Brock and Jamal. And these are just a few of my friends that I've been an ally to. They've taught me so much about love, about what real love is, how to be valued as a woman. They've been an ally to me as well. And just being able to highlight them and celebrate them when they're ready to celebrate is just amazing, and it's been a really enriching part of my life just being loved by them and affirmed by them. Thank you so much. So now, we're going to turn it over to our colleague Rukmini to give you a totally different perspective from a different part of the world. Thank you, Joseph. Thank you, Candice. I think when I was listening to what both of you were speaking, there's so much commonalities across though different cultures and experiences. I think the line of struggle for acceptance is so much more of the same. So, before I share my set of slides, just a quick introduction about India and a bit of a background. So, India is known for its rich culture, heritage, architecture, diversity, and traditions. Ancient India was all about acceptance and celebration of all forms of love, and I'll show you in so many forms of pictures and history, you'll actually be mesmerized. The fluidity of gender for humans was actually acknowledged concept in ancient India, and we have a rich history of literature that exists on homosexuality and gender fluidity. Queerness can be traced back actually to Indian history from our Indian epics, scriptures, prose poetry, art, architecture. Of course, there was resistance. It was looked upon as a very big taboo in the society. But even then, communities understood, and they began to co-exist. So, I'm going to share my screen. Let me first [AUDIO OUT] There you go. All right. So, like I said, I'm going to take you through a few pictures and talk about it. These are temples of Puri and Tanjore which portray explicit images of queer couples. And I know the pictures are very small, but these are intricate architectural work that is done. You will see sculptures and stories of queer couples that's been done in these old temples. The next example is the Khajuraho temple built by a son for his mother that depicts human passions. And there is another one, Ajanta and Ellora caves. Here, you will see the images at the Buddhist monastic caves which have glimpses of homosexuality. And these are just very few that I'm showing you, and these are all UNESCO sites. They are all monuments where you have, I think, crowds of people who come every day. These are tourist spots. People come, see, visit, learn the history, learn about what's happened here, why these temples were built. And there are beautiful stories behind it. And it's maintained really well because it's a UNESCO monument. Going back, we have something called as the Vedas. So, for a society, there are rules and regulations, like you need to live like this. You need to do this, like how we have our constitution now. But we didn't have constitution then, right? So we had the Vedas. And here, you would see four Vedas. That's the Rig, Yajur, Sama, and Athavar Veda. I'm going to talk a bit about Rig Veda. So, one of the references in Rig Veda is a tale of Varuna and Mitra. They are the same sex couple believed to be representative of the two halves of the moon. And there's pages about it-- beautiful stories, why that happened, et cetera. The other set is the Arthashastra and the Manusmriti. So, when you have books which tell you what you do, how you lead your life, there were also the [INAUDIBLE] Arthashastra, the Manusmriti, which talks about the laws, the rules and regulations governing the society. So, in Hindu mythology, there are various mentions of homosexuality. However, there are evidences of them being disapproved as well. Of course, it was seen as a taboo, but then there were certain laws, which means overall, it was accepted but to a certain level. So, if you cross that level of boundary, you have a list of punishments. At that time, it was not money. It was, you need to offer some grains, or you need to do some kind of community service. So, this list of [INAUDIBLE] rules and regulations and punishments that was mentioned if you cross that particular line. These two are the greatest epics for Hindus-- the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. So, in Ramayana, there are examples of same sex intimacy amongst the demons who we call the Rakshasas, against whom usually gods fight, right? And we have Mahabharata, where we had Shikhandini, or Shikhandi, born as a daughter of a king, raised as a man, and later becomes a man to enter the battlefield. You see the beauty of that, right? So, this happened in Mahabharata. So, Mahabharata is something where there are two sets of brothers who are fighting against each other. And she did this to help one of them win the others. It was like the win of truth over lie kind of a battle that happened. And in the [INAUDIBLE] Mahabharata, we have this Koovagam festival, which is the annual religious festival for transgenders. And believe me, this goes back to 3 BC. And even today, it is celebrated in the first week of May every year. And this happens in Tamil Nadu. And that's the south part of India. People come from all over the world to celebrate this festival. It's a beautiful week where they celebrate festivals around celebrating transgenders. And why did this celebration come? There's a belief that if you see this Mahabharata photo that's taken below, you have a person holding the conch. So, he is Lord Krishna. So, during the battle, it's believed that he takes a form of a lady. So, Lord Krishna takes the form of a lady to provide a boon to one of the fighting members to win them over onto the other side. So he says, yes, I'll come to the other side and help you win, but it is believed that he was not married. He wanted to enjoy one night of marital life, and he wanted to do that. And they didn't have women there. You just can't bring a woman just for that one day, per se. So, Lord Krishna did that. And it's celebrated even today. And that's the story why Koovagam festival is celebrated from 3 BC. See, we were thinking we had our own pride. We thought we started pride in the United States. I know. And there is another story of King Bhagiratha, and you won't believe it. He's a legendary king born of two women. And he's looked upon for various works that he has done, and you see his-- his photo is put along with Lord Shiva. You would have seen this figure or photo in many places. He was responsible to bring River Ganga from heaven to Earth. And that's what King Bhagiratha is basically known for. So, this was all before we got colonized. So, this was the pre-colonization era. And then we move further. 1857 to 1947 was when we were colonized. And this brought the big bridge, big gap. So, in 1861, when we were colonized, they passed a penal code which said that-- they basically criminalized anything that's against the order of nature. So, same sex was against the order of nature, and that kind of broke this whole thing. And that was a 100 year struggle, and we had many things to focus on. Once things started slowly coming back to normal, in 1977, we have Shakuntala Devi that you see here. She is the Indian human calculator. And it happened so that she had a personal experience where her husband identified himself as queer, and that kind of didn't shatter her, but she took that, his experience that she had, and wrote a book-- The World of Homosexuals. And here, she says that it's to be full and complete acceptance and not tolerance and sympathy. That's what she said, and this was in 1977. And in 1981, we had the first all-India transgender conference, and it was held in Agra. That's in North India. And you won't believe it. It brought over 50,000 of them across South Asia, just not India. Across South Asia at that point of time. Similarly, as we went further in 1986, Ashok Row Kavi was a journalist who penned his coming out story. He was the first one to come out publicly. And today, he runs the Humsafar Trust. You see that in the background, and that helps the LGBTQ+ community. And he was also the-- he was also the reason why we have the India's first queer men magazine, and he launched that in 1990. And it's still in production today as well. All of this was happening, and in 1994, the transgenders were legally granted voting rights as a third sex in India. And it was in 1994 that they finally decided to challenge section 377. There was a long struggle, and we achieved that in 2018. They decriminalized it in 2018. So from 1994-- I mean, if you read that story, that was back and forth and back and forth. And you can see the kind of struggles. Just few pictures here, but there were a lot of people who were anchoring this entire struggle. So this happened in 2018. When we go further, in India, the first Pride parade was held in Kolkata on 2nd July 1999, and it was called the Kolkata Rainbow Pride Walk. It is the oldest pride March in South Asia. And they didn't stop there. It just went on all across India. And today recently in 2023 in January, we had a queer pride march in Delhi, which is the capital of India. And very recently in March, we had one in Mysore, which is the southern part of India. So, we didn't just stop. It's just going on and on where we're working, struggling, fighting, but more than that, celebrating. And today, India is home to tens of millions of LGBTQ+ people. And since section 377 was decriminalized, the next step is we need equal marriage rights. However, attitudes to sex and sexuality still remain largely conservative in India because of that long gap pre-colonization, post-colonization. We lost that entire history, and people started thinking that it's not right. So, the conservative ideas still remain. So, over the years, acceptance of homosexuality has grown in India, though. A Pew survey in 2020 had 37% of people saying it should be accepted over 15% in 2014. But despite this change, attitudes to sex and sexuality still remains largely conservative, and activists say that most LGBTQ+ people are afraid to come out even to their friends and family, and attacks on same sex couples routinely make headlines which we see in India. So, a lot of attention is focused on what's happening at the top court. That's our Supreme Court. We wish that there is a favorable decision that will come out. And if that happens, so then we will be the 35th country to legalize same sex union and set off other momentous changes in the society because act 377 gave way to legalize rest of the things. And now they challenging the Marriage Act. I think that will further go and challenge the acts and laws that we have for adoption, divorce, inheritance, and many more laws that we have where I know it's not mentioned or it kind of challenges same sex. So, that's about India. And to end my part, I would want to show a glimpse of percentage across the globe who say homosexuality should be accepted by the society. And if you see all across the regions, it's just up. Of course, there could be some regions which are low in their percentages. However, it's a new beginning, and we've got a long way to go. But I think this is a start. [INAUDIBLE]. Positive upward motion across the board even though it is-- I love this chart because it does show how different we are globally in acceptance. But the movement is. Up it doesn't seem like we're going backwards in any way. Oppression [INAUDIBLE] liberation. Yeah. Exactly. This has been wonderful. I love seeing the-- I know for us putting this together, this was such an education for us individually. When we first started putting this together, I mean, all of this history of India-- and fascinating for me that it really wasn't until colonization that that's when the sort of oppression of the LGBTQ+ community happened. You know, that influence is what made us shift. Any final thoughts from you two on the experience of this? I think it's just-- I don't know. I felt myself getting emotional a few times. Just-- I think the cherry on top for me was just really looking into Leo Tolstoy and Gandhi and just that trickling down into everything that we presented today and just how, like I said earlier, how the importance of intersectional work and allyship has really pushed us to where we are now even if we just strip away just-- not saying that I would want to, but if you just really think at the core of it, if we just start at our races and our genders right now, had it not been for all of these acts that were passed like the Loving Act or those two people who are just regular people wanting to be married, and at one point, it was deemed illegal, and Tolstoy and Gandhi influencing Martin Luther King to pick up to adopt nonviolent protest-- and even though we-- at one point, even for the Gay Liberation Front and the Black Panther movement coming together because they were more radical and in-your-face and more than, you know-- because you know, at times, I found that oppressed people oppress people as well. And it's so strange that we do that to each other. But just knowing that all the work that was done before us will allow us to be on this call today and talk about this-- think about us right now in maybe the 1950s. This would be nonexistent. Like-- Right. That was just my thoughts on how just that hard work turned into this beautiful work today. Exactly, and imagine what it's going to be probably in 2050. Exactly. It's going to be beautiful because of what we are doing. I think it will give them that next level, the next step, and probably give them a world, a society, where there is more level and higher levels of acceptance amongst society because ignorance is something that is-- that's not right. I mean, it pains me when I see people being so ignorant about it and just past [INAUDIBLE]. So, just judge them or do anything of that sort. But I think in 2050, I think that will just go away probably of what we are doing, the kind of awareness we're creating, the work that's happening in, I think, all pockets of the world. Yes. I just-- I want to thank you both, and I really do want to thank our amazing company, Quest Software, for giving us the platform to have these kinds of discussions. We're very lucky to have the support of our organization to be able to share this with our whole Quest community. And please stay tuned throughout the entire month of June. We're going to have-- be releasing content through the month, as I mentioned. And then on June 29, we're going to have an amazing special end of month celebration where we will come together again and tell some of our personal stories. We're going to have some entertainment, special guest appearances, and it's going to be a great party. So I hope you'll join for that. Please stay on at the end of this recording because we're going to have a live Q&A with the panel. And if you would like to get involved in our employee resource groups, please email eicouncil@quest.com. And until the next session, thank you so much. Take care, everyone.